8:30 from the Gaylors\\\' for a 20 mile loop or two, or for a shorter ride to Cactus Park and back.

This new 20-mile loop we\\\'ve been doing is a really nice, somewhat hilly ride with very few stops. We take Dreamy Draw to 32nd street, through the neighborhoods past Tatum, then south through Mummy Mountain, past Camelback Inn, west on MacDonald, and back home through the Biltmore. It\\\'s about 20 miles, then we come back to the house to refuel and stretch (and feed the baby) and go out again the same or a different route.